Leverage in Death- Sept 2018

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  • ElectricOutcast on: September 10, 2018 at 5:25 pm #2480

    Well if I can change the subject, I thought in the early books, Mavis had to use a machine to improve her voice. I don’t think it was implied that she had a bad singing voice but that it needed improvement.

    Betsy Harvey Rogers on: September 10, 2018 at 7:35 pm #2481

    Well if I can change the subject, I thought in the early books, Mavis had to use a machine to improve her voice. I don’t think it was implied that she had a bad singing voice but that it needed improvement.

     

    From the comments in this book on the performance and the dialogue around when you’re talking about, I also thought she was “untrained” and chose weird music to garner attention / showcase her talents. But like any muscle, working out her voice would make it stronger and more versatile. Now she’s on her game, as it were. Or at least, that’s how I read the performance scene.

    ElectricOutcast on: September 10, 2018 at 8:18 pm #2482

    Well either way, I know that her song had a different title but I had this visual of her singing this one:   https://youtu.be/HT7-e4AlAx0

    AJ on: September 11, 2018 at 1:03 am #2483

    First of all, welcome back, Birdwoman! (@betsy-harvey-rogers)

    Finished this a few days ago, and not sure how I feel about it. I felt like it was very slow starting, and while it picked up about halfway through for me, I found myself getting distracted more easily with this book than with some others.

    Peabody being annoying: I guess…I love Peabody, so, I’m not really noticing the annoying things she’s doing as much as others might. Booster/Expresso scene: Again, weird. And why? I didn’t understand it. I’m sure Nora had a reason for writing it the way she did, but I’m just not seeing why it had to be there.

    Mavis’ singing: I think I’m of the same opinion as Betsy in that, I think she did the weird stuff to begin with for the shock value, but it’s possible that after she got her recording contract, she worked with a professional to improve her voice.

    The fight/sex scene: Yeah. That was weird. I feel like there was a thought process with this that kind of went, “Eve and Roarke’s relationship is going too well, and they are too happy all the time, so I need to come up with a fight they can have to add some tension. Then after that, they can have some make-up sex.” (Note: I am NOT implying that this is actually what Nora was thinking…only that this is what it seemed like to me.) I felt the way the fight was done was weird, and the sex afterward seemed even weirder. Roarke got pissed really quickly, which seemed off for him. None of it seemed to evolve naturally, and was never really resolved.

    Overall, not one of my favorites, unfortunately.

    ElectricOutcast on: September 11, 2018 at 1:50 am #2484

    Sad thing is, I think because of that nightmare Eve had, this is probably either going to be one conflict that will never be revisited again or never be resolved and just put in the back burner.

    In my experience, I didn’t try to get distracted but a lot of stuff was happening around me to where I had to pause the book on my phone multiple times. But I will agree that this book was definitely a slow burn.

    ElectricOutcast on: September 14, 2018 at 12:14 am #2487

    I did try to ask the fallintothestory blog about the Eve/Roarke conflict and I don’t know if you seen it, but I think Nora may have given me the dodge. But either way, I personally don’t see the point of fretting over it. If it gets revisited, then it gets revisited. And if it don’t, then it don’t.

    Though I do think that I may have hurt her feelings over Peabody.

    Delia McNab on: September 14, 2018 at 9:30 pm #2489

    I don’t think it’s you specifically as your comment was constructive. I think she’s tired of the more aggressive push back she’s gotten lately and maybe tried to head this one off before it became more of a thing.

    ElectricOutcast on: September 15, 2018 at 1:52 am #2490

    And another reason why I think we’re having a huge lack of adult disagreements and debates. Everyone wants to be in a shouting match these days.

    AJ on: September 15, 2018 at 6:10 am #2491

    Nora has never been great with “pushback” of any kind, aggressive or not. On the one hand, I can’t blame her… I’m sure it’s not easy to hear negative comments on essentially a piece of art that you put so much of yourself into. On the other hand, she does know that not all of her books will be received well by everyone.

    It’s only natural that some people are going to disagree with the way she writes something as much as others agree. BUT, to be honest, Fall Into the Story is probably not the best place for disagreement. It’s one thing to come here and say, “I don’t like how Nora wrote this” and then we can all discuss it as fans, but it’s quite another to go to essentially her own website and say “I don’t like the way you wrote this.” My advice would be that in the future, if anyone is inclined to disagree with something Nora wrote, I’d do that here, and leave your positive feedback on Fall Into the Story.

    Catherine on: September 15, 2018 at 11:15 pm #2492

    Hi, in June after a chat about libraries and digital media I decided to check it out. I read a few books on my tablet before coming across Echoes in Death. After reading it I wanted to know more about what happened to Eve that gave her nightmares. I got my husband to take out the first two books from the library since they didn’t have digital copies. After reading those I was hooked. I found and read all the books in the series. A few days before Leverage came out I finished them. I missed Eve and Roarke lol. I tried to convince myself that even if I read the new book I would still end up missing them but I caved and bought the hardcover.

    I really found the In Death wikia helpful. I used it to read the books in the right order and to look up characters or things I forgot. Now I’m helping to update it. It’s giving me something to do that is Eve related. Thanks AJ and anyone else that has helped.

    I’m not sure how I felt about Leverage. I liked it but knew it was the last one for a while.

    About the fight I wasn’t too concerned. In an earlier book I thought they had worse. I think Eve slept on her sleep chair after that fight. I had already read Echoes so knew they stayed together lol.

    I didn’t care for the Peabody booster scene. Eve had taken boosters and drank coffee and didn’t react anything like that. It even saved her once.

    I hope Nora has a nice thick skin.

    ElectricOutcast on: September 16, 2018 at 2:25 am #2493

    About the fight I wasn’t too concerned. In an earlier book I thought they had worse. I think Eve slept on her sleep chair after that fight. I had already read Echoes so knew they stayed together lol.

    I don’t know about the Sleep Chair, but I do know that Divided in Death is a perfect example of them being at their lowest as a married couple. Hell now that I mention it, I’m surprised that they didn’t rehash that particular argument during this book.

    AJ on: September 18, 2018 at 1:42 am #2494

    Catherine,

    Hey! You’ve been my recent Wiki editor! That’s awesome! Thanks so much for your help! I’m always glad to have help with the Wiki!

    I’m always kind of jealous when I hear someone talking about discovering this series for the first time and how they burn through the books with such pleasure! It reminds me of how I felt when I first discovered the series! I’m so glad when more people continue to discover the books.

    wont on: September 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm #2533

    First, a big congratulations to Nora! Leverage was #1 on the NYT Bestsellers list!

    Now, for more discussion on Leverage. It does seem like there should have been a way for the men with the bomb vests to have alerted police. I get the bad guys had him wired, but he could have written a note. OTH, I understand the bomb vest guy would have been strung out after having the bad guys control him and his family for two or three days. Hearing them scream in his ear would have been a motivator. It just seemed like a very risky move on the baddies part to take this route just for money.

    I hope we get to see more of Nadine with the rocker. That seems like a good fit, and she needs some steady romance, IMO. When she spoke to Eve about the Red Horse book, and then with her acceptance speech, it almost sounded like a set up for the end. I’m talking end of this series. I hope I’m wrong on that. But, I hope we get to see another book on the filming of Red Horse. Then, which case she chooses for the third book of the trilogy.

    I liked the scene with Summerset when he tells Eve he assumed she would have told Roarke about Summerset killing Patrick Roarke. That was a huge deal even though the scene was very short. It’s certainly time, IMO, for Eve and Summerset to move forward in their relationship. Not best buds of course, but, both have revealed themselves to the other and the true hate just can’t survive in that context.

    I also like that Eve is becoming more open with Roarke on her feelings. We know she’s loved him from the beginning, but, she hasn’t shown that very much. She’s more relaxed about admitting it and sharing it with him. She has definitely evolved. Now, of course, they will probably have a major fight that would seem to threaten their marriage. I expect it. The times where they did seem to have a marital hiccup (Divided, Judgment and Innocent) all were tough to read. But, I liked how they showed Roarke as vulnerable. Yes, Eve was too, but he’s so omnipotent he seems to automatically shed any sort of weakness. He succumbs to Eve. I like that.

    As to Mavis’ voice. It’s no secret I’m not a Mavis fan. I understand she is compensating for a horrible childhood, but, was her childhood any more horrible than Eve’s or Roarke’s? After all this time, and the success she has obtained, I would expect her to tone it down…a lot. If she feels the need to put on that persona in public, fine. But, otherwise, (for me) it’s very, very annoying. At the beginning, her voice was roundly criticized. Yes, she had the spirit, but, I always felt she was never really a singer. More of a performer. So, for her to suddenly (and at the Oscars for God’s sake) to perform and have a great voice, a true singing voice. Nope, not buying it.

    I definitely liked this book. It’s too soon to tell if I loved it. I have to make friends with it first. I will probably have more to add, but that’s it for now.

    ElectricOutcast on: September 23, 2018 at 6:10 pm #2534

    To tell you the truth, I also thought that the Oscars and the Red Horse book were potential set-ups for the end of the series as well. Let’s be honest, if I were in Eve’s position, I’d probably ride the desk for the rest of my career.

    I still stick to my opinion that Eve didn’t marry Roarke or consent to the Icove book to be a figurehead for the NYPSD, but knowing her and Nora, she’ll probably keep going until the time comes to end it.

    As for Mavis, I give her the benefit of the doubt that she probably had a vocal coach to improve her voice when she got the chance .

     

    wont on: September 23, 2018 at 9:27 pm #2535

    OK, Mavis may have had a vocal coach. It’s still a very big jump from the screeching and other descriptions used in earlier books to singing at the Oscars and sounding “good.” And as big a deal as that was, I thought it was odd Mavis wasn’t screaming about it to Eve weeks before. Enough on that.

    EO, I don’t remember anyone suggesting Eve’s marriage to Roarke or the Icove book setting her up as a figurehead for the NYPSD. She had nothing to do with the Icove book being written. Yes, it was about one of her big cases, but, she didn’t “consent” to it. Quite the contrary. I don’t see Eve planning her actions to that end. She just tries to close whatever case falls in her lap. She was very resentful toward all the attention directed at her from the book and video.

    We all know Nora’s stance on ending the series. Hopefully that is a long way off.

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